tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post113949865760035633..comments2023-08-23T01:47:26.718-07:00Comments on Blogging Project Runway Season 2: Dear Producers,LauraKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12592353267304087555noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139841237058289762006-02-13T06:33:00.000-08:002006-02-13T06:33:00.000-08:00yeah-this episode just stunk. I felt aggravated an...yeah-this episode just stunk. I felt aggravated and like I didn't want to watch anymore.<BR/><BR/>I'll maybe watch the re-run next week. Not going to arrange my schedule around the show. Not worth it. <BR/><BR/>I enjoyed the first few but feel used now.sp8cemunkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11530091773628526319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139777229657905022006-02-12T12:47:00.000-08:002006-02-12T12:47:00.000-08:00I absolutly agree with you. The judging has felt ...I absolutly agree with you. The judging has felt extremly arbitrary this year, and the judges have shown over and over their own hypocrisy and favoritism. One week, a person gets lambasted for a string hanging off the hem, the next somebody gets to stay despite entire seams not being finished.<BR/><BR/>In the end, you can only hope that we're just losing all of their intelligence and decision making in the editing, because otherwise they stopped making sense about three challenges ago.Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11293278010485513881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139600799883007212006-02-10T11:46:00.000-08:002006-02-10T11:46:00.000-08:00I'm very disappointed in the producers choosing to...I'm very disappointed in the producers choosing to keep Santino. The show is continually edited to give the sense the judges are not happy with Santino's work, yet he is "in" every week. If the judges were not happy with Nick's suit tailoring, are we to surmise that Santino's rush job and glueing are acceptable. I guess we should since Nick is "out". I won't be back for season 3 either, and several of my friends have stopped watching it all together. Thanks for saying what we've all been thinking. I've actually programmed the Bravo channel off of my remote!! No more Project Runway for me!! Oh, and the obvious voice overs from when Heidi probably flubs her lines is annoying also!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139575820964707562006-02-10T04:50:00.000-08:002006-02-10T04:50:00.000-08:00I totally understand that the reason Santino is st...I totally understand that the reason Santino is still on is because the producers think he adds entertainment. I'm just not entertained by him. Especially this last episode and the video they have proudly put on the website. Emmett is accused of being vulgar and eliminated. They talk about Nick being sleezy and he is eliminated. And then they put up that trash on their website? Whatever!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139568620175138862006-02-10T02:50:00.000-08:002006-02-10T02:50:00.000-08:00i just want to know the reason why santino stayed ...i just want to know the reason why santino stayed instead of nick. although nick's creation had several problems, santino's creation was UNFINISHED after all. how can it be okay on this kind of show to prove someone's talent to the world?? i'm just very disappointed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139540390299646092006-02-09T18:59:00.000-08:002006-02-09T18:59:00.000-08:00Yes Karishma! I agree! Please producers, bring on ...Yes Karishma! I agree! Please producers, bring on all the guest judges you want to provide variety and boost ratings, but don't give these people any power to auf designers. They don't have the big challenge to challenge picture and often their tootie vocabularies do nothing to justify their opinion on why the design is good or bad<BR/><BR/>BTW, How come as a producer AND a judge Heidi's opinions don't seem to be acted upon more. She'll comment on something not being appropriate (unfinished work, disregarding the client, or copying another designer) yet her opinion never seems to result in the designer she's upset with being out? I like her more this season and hope she'll continue to be more involved in PR3.<BR/><BR/>As to something aj said, I have to respectfully disagree about the caliber of the average PR viewer. The average reader's comments on this blog are intelligent, insightful and very often witty but the comments on the Bravo message boards are so one note: "I hate this, so and so sucks, you're an idiot for your opinion..."<BR/><BR/>I don't often comment here on BPR but you can bet I sign on several times a day and contemplate much of what's written here. Any chance you could take over the Bravo website Laura?<BR/><BR/>And last, I love, love, love Auntie Mame, keep it coming!<BR/>JuliAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139540210943236902006-02-09T18:56:00.000-08:002006-02-09T18:56:00.000-08:00Come on people, let's get a grip. Is it really a s...Come on people, let's get a grip. Is it really a surprise that the entertainment value of Santino trumps the less charismatic yet more skillful designers? It's reality tv, not reality. If you expect that you're seeing something that is not manipulated on many levels and also, invest emotional energy onto these people on tv who are actually, unknown to you and vice-versa, - - well, that's a recipe for disappointment. So, to tag on to the 'lighten up, it's only fashion,' sentiment, I'd say, lighten up, it's only reality tv. -ekAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139539636814637082006-02-09T18:47:00.000-08:002006-02-09T18:47:00.000-08:00I can no longer read this blog due to people's tot...I can no longer read this blog due to people's total over the top emotional reactions. It's fashion, use your empathy and compassion about something real, not poor Nick who made a purple wrinkly suit, or Santino's "potty talk" - or well... nevermind hang out with your designer Barbies.<BR/><BR/>Fashion is an art form, all of it isn't for you to like, but to react to, but let's keep the reactions real sized. And, really, I think it's great - with every freak out by the Santino is Bad Club, he does his job for the art and wins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139531605254722272006-02-09T16:33:00.000-08:002006-02-09T16:33:00.000-08:00OMG!! I just watched the videos on the Bravo webs...OMG!! I just watched the videos on the Bravo website. That is just disgusting. I'm so disappointed that they would put something like that on their website. I'm beginning to feel embarrassed that I've gotten involved in this show.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139527113719780542006-02-09T15:18:00.000-08:002006-02-09T15:18:00.000-08:00Well, I've just been able to get here since the sh...Well, I've just been able to get here since the show aired and I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one who is really tired of all the rationalization to keep Santino on. I totally agree with your comments Laura. <BR/><BR/>Someone said that the guest judge was the reason Santino is still there and I ask, how do you know this? We never see the scores. And, there have been many episodes when the discussion between the judges was purposely made to look as if a particular designer was going and then that didn't happen. Also, maybe you haven't noticed that in the credits, etc., it plainly states that the producers have a say in who stays. And that is the one and only reason Santino is still there, imo. I wonder if he really is a designer or just some nut case they hired to try to add high drama. <BR/><BR/>The fact that Heidi could say to Daniel that he was lucky to have immunity or he would have been "aufed" while Kara was standing right there holding her clothes on shows and acting talent that I was unaware of. Imagine she said it with a straight face.<BR/><BR/>I have to say, I feel very annoyed at this show now. Yes, I will watch the remaining episodes. But I don't think I will allow myself to get this involved with the next season. Their banking of Santino is not going to pay off, imo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139525898787140062006-02-09T14:58:00.000-08:002006-02-09T14:58:00.000-08:00I LUV santino...what are you talking about. i do m...I LUV santino...what are you talking about. i do miss andrae and nick and DANYELLE also!!!!!! I feeled robbed of my Project Runway loving...christopher.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15831265830992495520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139523552580239092006-02-09T14:19:00.000-08:002006-02-09T14:19:00.000-08:00I also think if there's a guest judge / client, th...<I>I also think if there's a guest judge / client, they should pick the winner, and should be able to comment on all the designers, but only the 3 everyday judges' scores should be used to evaluate everyone else.</I><BR/><BR/>You are so right, Karishma. I honestly think Santino didn't get aufed this time because Freddy liked the jumpsuit. Just as Diane Von Furstenberg liked Zulema's booty dress. <BR/>Maybe I'm being naive, but I don't think the producers would be that wed to having Santino in the final 3 -- because wouldn't they be afraid people would be condemning them at this point? Of course they filmed and produced this months ago so maybe they didn't realize how strong the reaction would be against Santino.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139521228733379092006-02-09T13:40:00.000-08:002006-02-09T13:40:00.000-08:00BTW, this 'little blog' has now had over a quarter...BTW, this 'little blog' has now had over a quarter million hits. Congrats Laura.The Scarletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08720514533498874330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139516451757348802006-02-09T12:20:00.000-08:002006-02-09T12:20:00.000-08:00Maybe it was just me, but I really liked the overa...Maybe it was just me, but I really liked the overall look on Daniel! Yes, the material made it very difficult to sew, but who are they to judge too feminine? Not to be stereotypical, but Daniel is gay...and he looked very comfortable in that suit! I kept thinking of a sexually ambiguous rockstar...and I thought it worked!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139515262240471462006-02-09T12:01:00.000-08:002006-02-09T12:01:00.000-08:00It's definitely possible that he was trying to sav...It's definitely possible that he was trying to save time. I sort of got the impression that he did it on purpose to go for a certain look. Then the look plus the fabric ended up looking very femme. Obviously, a slim cut suit is going to look a bit femme, but with the shiny, mauvey fabric, DV looked like a gay superhero...lolAJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02294590701907411434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139515159798065022006-02-09T11:59:00.000-08:002006-02-09T11:59:00.000-08:00I'm glad that there are other people out there as ...I'm glad that there are other people out there as frusterated as me with this episode. But one of the worst things that happened nobody else seems to have noticed. The challenge was to give a head to toe makeover and "reinvent" a fellow designer's look yet they rewarded the designs that looked like they were already in that designer's closet. Santino would wear that outfit any day, Nick would wear his outfit any day, Daniel would wear his suit any day. The only person that tried to reinvent successfully was Daniel. He gave Chloe a party girl look because it was different from something she would normally wear. Yet he was incarcerated for changing her look. THAT WAS THE POINT! Santino tried also, but that outfit was too hideous for words so we won't go there. <BR/><BR/>I don't agree that the show was vulgar. I think that working in that environment yields to those kinds of conversations and I found them to be the only satisfying entertainment from the episode. I was glad to see them be goofy and real, instead of acting how they think they should for a camera.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139514409776133732006-02-09T11:46:00.000-08:002006-02-09T11:46:00.000-08:00aj, I agree that the suit had elements that were u...aj, I agree that the suit had elements that were unusual, but I think the lack of buttons and pockets was more a time-saving device than a real thought-out design. I could be completely wrong about that but if I saw that in a store I wouldn't say, "oh cool, a suit with no buttons or pockets," I would probably think, "oh look, they tried to same money on production by not using buttons or pockets."eric3000https://www.blogger.com/profile/00554308678019220189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139514061259449942006-02-09T11:41:00.000-08:002006-02-09T11:41:00.000-08:00I agree with you, Laura. A disappointing show. T...I agree with you, Laura. A disappointing show. Though I am glad that we got to see Daniel V. show a little sass and frustration with the judges. <BR/><BR/>After the first few weeks, I believed that the judges were able to act on their impartiality. But, after watching one of the episodes in which Santino should have been booted, I realized that the line, "producers, in addition to the judges, help determine who is out" (I’m paraphrasing) that appears in the closing credits, is more than true. <BR/><BR/>The truth is that our desire to see Santino kicked out each week makes Ms. Klum and her fellow producers a lot happier than being fair. After all, we are watching this show in a capitalist country, many of us looking to spend our dollars on unnecessary pieces of clothing that make us feel a little less ugly and maybe a little more like a model.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, although the show's closing credits and my own intuition warn me that non-meritorious determinations will lead to inequitable results, I cannot help but resent Ms. Klum for allowing the judges to pretend as if their decision is supported by anything less than what the producers (Klum included) think will bring in the most viewers. Perhaps season three should be called "Project Nielsen" instead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139512922484213442006-02-09T11:22:00.000-08:002006-02-09T11:22:00.000-08:00gumdropgurl, I have to disagree with what you said...gumdropgurl, I have to disagree with what you said about Nick not being impressive aside from the Barbie challenge. From the moment I saw what he did with the muslin challenge, I was a fan. I also thought the Clothes Off Your Back, the Hilton challenge and the Banana Republic dress were all really well done as well. I know not a lot of people liked the Banana dress w/ Santino, but I thought the kimono sleeves were gorgeous.<BR/><BR/>I also wanted to touch on what Eric said about a suit not being ambitious. That's very true, but I think the idea of making a skinny, very European suit with no pockets or buttons was ambitious. He was clearly going to a certain look which, aside from rippling fabric, he achieved.<BR/><BR/>Had there been pockets and buttons would the judges have found it boring? The execution didn't play out well, but I felt the ambition was definitely there.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02294590701907411434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139510818065286402006-02-09T10:46:00.000-08:002006-02-09T10:46:00.000-08:00Here's my suggestions to the producers for Season ...Here's my suggestions to the producers for Season 3: <BR/><BR/>Tell us the judging criteria up front with numbers, and then show us the scores at the end so we can see how the judges felt the designers did. We might still disagree with the decisions, but at least we won't feel insulted and manipulated by faceless producers pulling invisible strings. It gives a little more objectivity to the judging process, so the designers don't have to worry (as much) about ticking off Michael Kors and being out because of it.<BR/><BR/>Here's how I would set up the judging criteria:<BR/>- 20 points construction/fit - if you're garment's falling apart you deserve to lose<BR/>- 20 points conception/creativity<BR/>- 10 points whatever the noun form of "aesthetically pleasing" is<BR/>- plus 1 bonus point for every past win, so there's incentive to be the winner.<BR/><BR/>I also think if there's a guest judge / client, they should pick the winner, and should be able to comment on all the designers, but only the 3 everyday judges' scores should be used to evaluate everyone else.<BR/><BR/>I think it would be a good idea to have the designers show the judges their sketches and present their garment, explaining their concept, what they were aiming for and where they felt they could still improve given more money/time. I know some people feel that the garment should speak for itself, but I think the designers explanations would be helpful, as well as add some of that drama that the producers are looking for. Plus, with everyone being given the opportunity to speak, the judges don't have to listen to 90 minute tirades about ugly lingerie...<BR/><BR/>Just my $1 (far too much for 2c)TiredMamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01326324676676732012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139508979594889862006-02-09T10:16:00.000-08:002006-02-09T10:16:00.000-08:00I agree the judging is rather random. I'm not sure...I agree the judging is rather random. I'm not sure what can be done about it, though. I would love to see the actual point score the judges give to the runway presentation but then it would be difficult to understand how they factor in the discussion they have with the designers after the runway. Judging fashion can't possibly be a perfect science and mistakes and inconsistencies will always exist.<BR/><BR/>One other comment: I think people are confusing difficulty with ambition. While making a suit is very difficult, I don't think it is very ambitios.eric3000https://www.blogger.com/profile/00554308678019220189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139508919950632742006-02-09T10:15:00.000-08:002006-02-09T10:15:00.000-08:00You can't really have Tim be involved in the judgi...You can't really have Tim be involved in the judging, guys. That would totally muck up his neutral position as a teacher in the workroom. And, frankly, what can he add that the designers themselves could add (at least when defending themselves)? For instance, he pointed out that the flowers were expensive in flower power, but then went on to say (in his podcast) that he wished one of the designers had said that. They're all grown-ups and can speak for themselves. Tim getting involved in judging would ruin his wonderful objectivity.KCFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00685155860282341767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139508394833781072006-02-09T10:06:00.000-08:002006-02-09T10:06:00.000-08:00Thank you for writing this Laura. It was a downer...Thank you for writing this Laura. It was a downer of an ep last night. I didn't really realize it until now, after reading your post. In thinking about my own comments on the thread, I realize that most of them were about the commercials!<BR/><BR/>Maybe that's why I was hoping Santino would be out. He seemed to be the albatross weighing everyone down last night.erinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12727301257229287136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139507615646794312006-02-09T09:53:00.000-08:002006-02-09T09:53:00.000-08:00one more thing real fast, I COMPLETELY agree with ...one more thing real fast, I COMPLETELY agree with debr's comments on how the judging could be better.<BR/><BR/>A cummulative point tracking would be the best thing for this show. For example, Kara has had two really fabulous weeks in a row but I can't help but remember her earlier mishaps. Should she still be in this competition? What is fair? To boot someone who missteps once or to keep someone who seems to be just hitting their stride?<BR/><BR/>I think a different way of judging might prove to help designers more and make the elimination process more concise to viewers. I also think that Tim should really have a say in this. He sees more of the construction of these garments then the judges. He may also be biased however, so having him judge on a more minor level couldn't hurt in my book!<BR/><BR/>Great ideas everyone!AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02294590701907411434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13478506.post-1139507143407555242006-02-09T09:45:00.000-08:002006-02-09T09:45:00.000-08:00This is why I love this blog! Everyone is so well...This is why I love this blog! Everyone is so well-spoken and able to express their opinions in a way that is smart and creates conversation...<BR/><BR/>That being said, I have to agree w/ what a lot of posters have been saying. Yes, I'm upset that Nick is no longer on the show, but I will continue to watch with interest up until the final moments. The "poddy" humor (while sometimes amusing) became contrived during this weeks challenge. I feel like the producers were playing up the tension between Nick and Santino to make for a more dramatic end to the episode.<BR/><BR/>I agree with what Eric said, that Nick's was clearly not up to par with where this competition should be. However, the judges saying he lacks ambition one week, then sending him packing for trying something too ambitious is very frustrating as a viewer. It goes along with saying something is vulgar that isn't, aufing someone for construction problems, but keeping others and just generally contradicting themselves.<BR/><BR/>It is making the competition difficult to follow and is clearly alienating viewers. This show is gaining popularity because the concept is new and different and the show is done quite well as a whole. I also said before that the audience as a whole seems to be rather well-educated (ie: this blog) and we don't need the tricks and characters that the producers are pushing on us.<BR/><BR/>I won't stop watching this show unless it goes completely down the toilet, but it still needs major tweaking to be the best show it can be. Having loyal viewers make concise suggestions to the producers will hopefully help come Season Three...<BR/><BR/>Now I'm ready for tomorrow to see what the Fashion Week collections will look like!AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02294590701907411434noreply@blogger.com