Wednesday, March 01, 2006

Reactions to Finale Part One

What did you think? Like the surprises? Has this episode changed your opinions on anything?

128 comments:

feedpuppy said...

Santino looked nice in fact....He is not that hateful any more....

The surprise is kind of mean. But as an audience, I like it@_@

Anonymous said...

I was dissapointed with Dan's collection. Didn't like Chloe's either, but on the show she was kind of a one note so I wasn't expecting anything amazing from her.

Anonymous said...

I really want Daniel to win. They hardly showed us his collection,but they made it seem like it was horrible or something. I'm worried...

Anonymous said...

What do you know - Santino is a real human being - those little kids know and like Santino - and so do I

@ said...

Oh dear I think we are being manipulated....if my radar is correct, and bearing in mind that the finale is in the can already, I have a sneaking suspicion that what we saw tonight was the reinvention of Santino...and although the idea fills me with fear and loathing, I can only imagine one reason why the producers would make such an effort. I shudder to think. Someone please tell me it isn't so.
Lie to me if necessary.

"Oh his life was so filled with adversity, and oh he was homeless, and look he has friends and children are hugging his neck"...what is the point here if not to make us all say oh Santino you were such a horse's ass, but now we understand why and suddenly we recognize the genius underneath all that angst. We feel your pain, and of course, you deserve to win.

Call me a bitter old woman if you must, call me a cynic, but I am not buying this. I do not like being spoon fed this "re-habbed, come-to-Jesus, please forgive me, I'm not such a bad guy really" Santino. Not buying it one bit. And I resent being played.

I should lighten up...it's just reality television.

Anonymous said...

I thought Kara looked sad that Chloe didn't choose her...I guess she was busy with her own collection, but...it still seemed sad because they were so close. But Kara doesn't do a lot of eveningware, so perhaps Chloe was thinking she wouldn't be the most helpful to sew a dress. And I was happy to see Diana again, and she seemed so excited and appreciative!

Green Penny said...

I felt bad for putting down daniel's and chloe's collections before, since now I can see how hard they worked on them and how much it meant to them. I still believe Santino's was the best, but I think they're all good in that each designer seemed happy with their own collections. And even if Tim didn't like Daniel's collection, he could have at least said something encouraging, since it was too late to change much anyway.

It was really interesting to learn more about Santino's life and what he's gone through. He came off pretty well in this episode, in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I have to say I am a bit tired of the manipulation from the PR producers. Even tonight the days before the runway show we were barely shown with clothes. Only fractions of these designers' supposed "personality". I doubt if Tim really was indifferent with Daniel V's collection, considering we barely saw his clothes.

I personally think tonight Daniel V showed that he's indeed the youngest one of the bunch, he still came across sincere and solid but finally acted like a 24yrs old boy.

I am still not feeling Santino's clothes, though Tim praised on his mossy green dress, I sensed no energy or inspiration from his work.

Still root for Daniel V to win the whole game.

KidLyd said...

Santino is no horse's ass! He doesn't get enough love here. I'm buying all of it and I hope Santino wins it all! Woohoo! Go Santino!!

Green Penny said...

kidlyd, I agree! :)

Anonymous said...

@ I agree with you. I've been saying for weeks now that the producers are so invested in Santino now they almost have to make us all like him or feel sorry for him. Whatever. In fact, I do feel a little sorry for him. It's like he can't help himself. He is an #$$ at his core and it slips through no matter how you try to package it. Remember this program was filmed just a few weeks ago. By then they were getting lots of feedback about how the audience was really reacting to him. Notice he said he had read every blog. Hmmm!!! This one has been tame compared to alot of others. I agree with Daniel and Chloe, "you made your bed, now lie in it."

I will say, if he wins, I'm truly finished with this show. Truly.

Anonymous said...

The producers are setting us up - again - Daniel's collection concerns Tim Gunn - so probably Daniel will win -

The judging has been so subjective that they can give it to any of them and justify it

I like Santino's collection and it makes real sense now that he has said it is 40's Hollywood, pin up, boudoir - that's what I see in his collection

I have always liked Santino and worry that if other people are thinking they now "know" and see a "softer" side - then the producers will slam the Santino likers to the ground and he will not win

Anonymous said...

I felt Chloe was hypocritical by mentioning how hurt she was about Santino's remark about her being just a pattern maker - what about the remark she made about him not being able to sew (which was said prior to his comment)? I think of all 3, Santino shows the most passion, the most creativity and most depth and I believe he will make the most of what was given to him. He seems the most hungry and I wish him so much luck. I believe Daniel & Chloe are talented but missing the edge.

Lizra said...

They play up Santino's good side now....but what about that naughty fingerplay! I wonder if that was old or new

Anonymous said...

You know, Santino's collection is so totally different from anything he's done all season. I think they helped him. They've got to prop him up at this point.

googoobaby said...

I love the 40's inspiration Santino used for his collection! Everything looks lovely and I am anxious to see the entire thing next Wednesday! I picked him from the beginning to win, based on his creativity alone. Good luck, Santino! :-))

Anonymous said...

I feel like the addition of the thirteenth outfit compromised so much of the show's integrity for me. Certain things in this season were completely made for TV without adding anything to the actual design process. While I understand that's important, some things were merely meant to cause unneccessary drama, and that's all this last surprise seemed to do. It's as if the producers are trying to throw as many rocks at the designers as they possibly can. Santino alluded to the fact that he was going to have hide this one rushed piece in amongst things he'd spent so much time on. I completely agree. Why do this to them? It's just over the top. Their reactions showed it too.

I hate to say it, but wow, this episode left a horrible taste in my mouth. I'm completely apathetic about the finale.
-a

Liza said...

Santino's collection is beautiful. The collection shows off his choice of fabrics and colors - great colors for Fall too. The styles are gentle and flowy to me.

Chole's is too structured with extra seams for my taste. And very 80's prom. I can see a lot of us who went to prom in the 80's are saying this : )

Daniel's really doesn't spark for me at all. I see the metal embelishments and I think rather than being a good part of the outfits, they will just clash with what ever jewerly you may have wanted to wear and they look wonky to me - rivets in jeans and denim are one thing, in dresses - no thanks, and his colors are flat to me.

Anonymous said...

Hey @ and anonymous...your distaste for santino is yours alone. You don't GET Santino, and that's too bad. Many don't get him around here, apparently. But think for a second about some of the extreme personalities that you find in the fashion business. The successful designers aren't little doe eyed nice boys like Daniel V. They're eccentric, opinionated, and...other adjectives as well.

Get over it. Santino is the most talented of the bunch. He made some mistakes throughout the show, but they all did. He ran out of time a couple times and was lucky to not be penalized but thankfully, the mediocrity of his competition kept him alive.

You talk of "manipulation". Good grief. Get over it. Don't you realize that through editing he was made to look worse than he is? And now they back away from that and you call it manipulation? It's too bad that Nick had to take his "you can't polish a turd" joke. It only reflected insecurity on Nick's part. A confident guy would have laughed.

What I get from Santino is a good hearted, good natured kid who has a burning desire to prove himself because he's basically been called a freak all his life and hasn't had anything handed to him. He's remarkably talented and UNIQUE, which is what designers ought to be. Daniel V is nice and he's talented but how unique is he? Chloe is a very skilled garment maker. I don't think of her as a designer first. She hasn't shown me that, and she hasn't shown the professional judges that, either.

Santino should win because he's the best DESIGNER of the bunch.

twocats2many said...

OOOHHH, it's killing me....why are they making me like Santino? Is he messing with us again? Did he hire a image consultant? UUgghh!
I do like his collection. Where was he hiding this stuff?

Oh, Daniel. He is a young puppy looking for love and affection isn't he? I liked his collection but went back to look after the episode tonite and I picked up on some of the things Tim seemed to be concerned about. I do like how he stretched a bit since the show.

Chloe. She's a sweetie, but some of her dresses look like bridesmaid dresses. The shiny shiny. Love the green fabric.

The twist was killer!!!!!

cupcakesR4lovers said...

I'm sorry, but I don't know why everyone is carrying on about Santino. His collection is the weakest because he has trumped himself throughout the show to be this creative designer a la Galliano or McQueen.

But what he showed during fashionweek wasn't creative or edgy. You can find similar pieces at Forever 21 and probably better made. When he takes risks his clothes are costumey and when he is practical is clothes are boring and derivative.

Daniel is a young guy, so I don't understand why his clothes are so mature looking. I think Tim might be on to something.

Chloe was hit or miss. She played with the Balenciaga volume but I just wish her taste was a little bit more sophisticated.

Gail said...

I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw of Santino's collection. Daniel's seemed so meh. There were bits of Chloe's I liked.

After Santino finished his "Oh I came from MO and no one understood me boohoo", I turned to my SO and said "Me too, but it didn't turn me into an asshole". But, I liked that they showed more of Santino as insecure, and he seemed a bit more human.

If Santino wins, I'll be fine with it - that one dress he showed Tim first was beautiful.

Kevin K. said...

Santino seems like a pretty nice guy after all...underneath all that arrogance n obnoxiousness. The preview of his collection seems pretty winnable. It was Santino flare with elegance i thought.

Cloe grew up in pretty hard times. She makes clothing without sketching!! What was that big puffy red dress in one of her collection?

Poor Daniel V. Seems like he really got the jitters before the final show. He looks better with shorter hair. I loved the black & white printed jacket and the model he chose! He should stick to clothing and stay away from handbags. He shops at Lounge, a store in Soho with fabulous vintage/couture clothing.

feepupuppy said...

About why Kara looked sad, I think it's because she had to do the 13th one as well. She was stressed too.

twocats2many said...

cupcakes

Very interesting thought on Santino's collection. It is pretty safe isn't it?

Anonymous said...

So did anyone else see the zulema COYB "inspired" dress in Daniel's collection? It just popped out to me, maybe that being the 13th look, also the fact that it didn't follow Daniel's color theme with the blacks, whites and neutrals. With Chloe I think it is obvious that the 13th look is the gold "baby doll" dress that blends in flawlessly. In Santino's collection I'm guessing that the leather bomber top hybrid dress is his 13th look, which screams Santino to me.

I really hate how Bravo split the actual runway shows from the prelude to the runway this season.

In terms of next season, I'm waiting for something new. I think this season was the reassurance that the show would/could be a hit, I think next season will be the reinvention and will end up being the best of the three.

grudge girl said...

I loved this episode. Andrae was so sweet to Santino. He really is the kindest person, and Santino picked the right person to be supportive and encouraging when he's so stressed out. Thank goodness for him Andrae seems to be really forgiving, as well.

I was bored with Daniel's collection when I saw the runway pictures, and I still am. I liked Santino's stuff better than what I saw in the pictures. Chloe's is still too poufy and 80s for me.

I still like Kara's the best.

Loved the extra challenge. That was just evil. Heh.

Sam said...

I think the new twist is DUMB and baldly manipulative. We're to believe that months of pefecting their collections, they now have to throw together another last-minute piece and take it on the runway? Why, other than last minute drama? It feels tacked on because they don't have a Wendy-Kara face off to get things sparking. At least it means the return of Nick, my dreamboat.
My answer to @ is I think they're setting us up to believe Daniel V will loose, just like every episode. That means he won't loose. Don't worry.

InsultComicDog said...

My guesses for the "last minute" looks

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/santinorice/images/11.jpg
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/danielvosovic/images/13.jpg
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/chloedao/images/7.jpg

Liza said...

On the PR web site you can see pictures from the episode, DV's brown dress on Rebecca in that shot looks like too much trims and such, check it out, it shows the sides which we did not get a good look at before

cupcakesR4lovers said...

I'm serious twocats

I think it was Santino's plan all the time. I'll make such hideous outfits, that come fashionweek, anything remotely wearable will be praised and loved. Seriously....

InsultComicDog said...

oops

InsultComicDog said...

My guess as to the last minute looks

Santino

Daniel

Chloe

Anonymous said...

I think this is Santino's last minute look
http://tinyurl.com/genay

Because on the previews for next week you can see the beginnings of this dress (just the lacey part of the top) on a dress form.

I must say for being last-minute it doesn't look as bad as you would think

Liza said...

About all the editing - how mindless are you that your thoughts are based on what the TV tells you? And by "you" I just mean the general you - something for all to ponder. Santino had it rough, Chloe had it rough, Daniel did too, all in their own way, why judge them? Accept each story as belonging to them, not to you, the bravo editors, or to done manipulate you. They are all real, flawed, wonderful and endearing people, just like everyone else. Your reactions are just that your reactions, not proof of someone's character.

Marko said...

Ugg.... another 40s Hollywood pinup theme. Haven't we seen this concept over and over again?! I am feeling uninspired by all three of these collections.

Santino's is unoriginal yet very polished. Daniel V (my fav.) is very Banana Republic feely and possibly a little too safe. Chloe seems like the Wendy Pepper (no theme but nice clothing). Chloe comes off too 1980s "fashion-bitch couture."

So those are only my opinions. I feel like no one really pushed the envelope or popped the bubble. Definately not up to par with last years collection. I think sweet Diana Eng could have pushed the envelop moreso than these three.

And Liza, couldnt say it better myself. Who are we to make personal attacks based of TV editing and manipulation. Lets just judge the clothes.

Anonymous said...

I liked Santino from the first espisode. He has what it takes to make it in the very competitive world of fashion. Talent, drive and ambition. I watch the show to see creativity not personality.

Anonymous said...

I feel like the addition of the thirteenth outfit compromised so much of the show's integrity for me. Certain things in this season were completely made for TV without adding anything to the actual design process. While I understand that's important, some things were merely meant to cause unneccessary drama, and that's all this last surprise seemed to do. It's as if the producers are trying to throw as many rocks at the designers as they possibly can. Santino alluded to the fact that he was going to have hide this one rushed piece in amongst things he'd spent so much time on. I completely agree. Why do this to them? It's just over the top. Their reactions showed it too.

I hate to say it, but wow, this episode left a horrible taste in my mouth. I'm completely apathetic about the finale.
-a


I totally agree!

Chloe made a bad decision picking Diana. Was it racial? Or did she see something that everyone missed? Diana cannot sew, her design point-of-view is completely different from Chloe's, and she’s scatter-brained. I don't understand that decision. She should have picked someone that is a great follower like Kara or Emmett, but he can't sew either.

I was SHOCKED by Chloe's collection. The designs are so absurd and the colors are ridiculous. I thought she would do something sophisticated but still youthful. It’s totally not what I expected.

Daniel was a HUGE disappointment. I don’t understand his point-of-view. He always makes old-looking clothing that are always dark. His clothing is so serious. Oh my, those bags... it’s 2006 not 1966. It’s like he designed the collection for an octogenarian widow. He might want to dust the clothing off before he shows them.

I knew once Santino got home he would recharge and put all his effort into making the best collection that he can. And he did. (Remember the green baby doll dress Ep. #1) He’s the only one that has fulfilled their potential among the final 3.

I really wanted Daniel to pull out all the stops. I wanted him to win. :(

Anonymous said...

How was Kara in the group of designers if she had her own collection to complete and perfect in two days?

Anonymous said...

I don't think Chloe should need Tim to validate herself. SOMEONE must like her clothes, she has a shop! I don't know what kind of an impression anyone can make out of the stuff we saw tonight...which is nothing. One dress from Santino (loved it!) A coat from Danile V (loved it) a couple dresses from Chloe (hated it), what heck was that puffy thing? I think I saw that on an old 80's movie...yikes! I hope the rest is different!

Tbone said...

Please watch your language everyone! We don't mind disagreements, just keep it clean please.

Anonymous said...

to all those quarrelling about santino this and that how about you....


LIGHTEN UP ITS JUST FASHION!


and may the best man win!!!

Anonymous said...

Chloe picked Diana because she can boss her around and sap some creativity out of her. We all know Diana is an ideas girl and a nice girl to boot, and Im sure Chloe is not adverse to USING her!

Anonymous said...

Consider the shape they were all in when they had to pick - I don't think it's a coincidence that they all picked the person they felt most at ease with (ex-Kara, who I suspect was off-limits because of her own FW craziness).

Anonymous said...

I think one person used the words 80's prom dress about chloe's collection- and everyone else is going to town with it. That blue dress with the cut out back is beautiful- and original- she has a lot of great pieces in her collection. Santino's is my favorite collection though.

Dorian Saintier said...

I actually enjoyed this episode much.

Yes the "feel bad for Santino" part smacked of resympatheziing him in our eyes but 1) it worked as hell and 2) while it is staged it comes from a honest place. I mean noone is totallyt evil mean and cold hearted. And most arrogant people are actually really insecure as you all may know from ... I dunno ... life ?

Is it me or has daniel amped his gay quotient by like 400% in the six months between the end of the show and Fashion Week ? I love it but it seemed to act very different. Way more relaxed. Im sad to not be liking his collection but I actually liked his bag !

Havent had agood feel of Chloes either but I agree with fellow poster than her choice of Diana was hella weird. She didnt need a friend but a good sower at the minimum and however much I like Diana thats not her strong suit.

Kara did look hurt she wasnt picked.

I also would be very mad about the twist would I be the designers. But I guess they need to be reminded this is still a game/TV show.

shrug

I enjoyed the show but it did make me sad. Santino should win based on the collection (and thats what Jay won on coz Kara Saun was a clear winner based on the challenges alone)

Karen said...

Wow about the suprise! I understand why Chloe was so upset after she had just said she couldn't design another piece.

Santino seemed almost human the way he was acting with his friends kids. The way the littlest one was hugging and playing on him. He can't be all that bad then.

I loved Santinos face after Dan picked Nick to be his assistant.

Anonymous said...

Don't know how many of you have been following the recent NYC-Milan-Paris Fall06 couture shows, but the big guns are all showing lots of shiny-shiny with hints of 1980s.

FWIW - Quite similar to what Chloe tried to do with her collection.

-- desertwind

PS - I don't have TV, but if Bravo doesn't show Kara's collection, they're really insane.

PPS - That surprise challenge was cruel fun? None of us guessed it, did we?

FancyPants said...

Wow. Son of a disabled vet, bi-racial,and growing up different in the unforgiving Midwest (raised there myself). This episode explained it all. Santino, all is forgiven. I'm as shocked as anybody could be about my own feelings and how they've changed.
And I hope he wins. And that is something I could never have imagined saying. Of course he chose Andrae-the nurturer. He's the closest thing available as the much-needed "family" connection. Next week's finale is bound to be a heart-breaker, no matter who wins, because we'll have to say goodbye. What a season.

asiangirl said...

yes I can pick out the last minute piece... chloe's is the gold babydoll, sAntino's is the rose dress with the lacey top.
and my only guess is Daniels is the beige really simple one??? But after looking more close.. daniels collection seemed really nice. I am guessing the greatness is in the details.. I liked Santino collection too. I am moving towards Santino for the win although.. I really love Chloe's work and as a designer.

I am worried about all those comments by Kors, and Klum.. I think to comments look like Santino is going to win.. but is this pr leading us the wrong way??
hmm.. oh my. sorry for the ramblings

JRT said...

Okay, now that I watched the episode I will comment.

First I will start with Santino. For someone who has been through so much in his life and all the judging he had to put up, you would think he would be more careful to judge others and make the comments he has made. I do not know if it is his insecurity talking or if it his need to find fault in others because so many found fault in him, but it just isn't necessary. And you would think someone who has gone through all those horrors in life would be more sympathetic. Maybe that is just me though.

Secondly, I guess we have the answer to Chloe's question of who will sew his stuff, he said "I had this sunburst pleat sewn." But it is not outside the realm of the contract from what I gather. Just thought that was an interesting quote in the show.

Now the person I really feel for in the show would be Chloe. Talk about family struggles to get out of Laos during the war. Just think how close we would be to not having Chloe on PR much less in the US if everything had not gone exactly right. And seven sisters, geez, but they all seemed so close. And I was a little frightened with the no sketches part too.

Daniel, I think, felt immense about of insecurity after showing his line to Tim. This was weird because Tim had such good things to say when he visited him NY. And the deal about the details and hems and stuff was perplexing, because from the articles I have read and the photos, these seemed to be Daniel's strong point. And here is another matter of taste, i actually liked the handbags. It will be interesting to see how all looks when on the runway. But I am very scared for Daniel.

As for the challenge of the 13th dress, I will keep my language proper and clean, but I think it is a load of crap. The designers are working as hard and fast as they can to finish last minute details and they throw this challenge on them. It is ruthless. It was unnecessary and felt like just a ploy to get some of the other designers back on the show.

As for a winner, I personally think it will be a close race between Daniel and Santino. I do not want Santino to win purely based on the fact that he has had so many lapses during the show. It is not right for the winner to be able to skirt by that many challenges when his head was on the chopping block and sometimes should have been aufed. I found his color scheme a little reminiscent of Wendy’s from last season, but I thought his outfits looked nice. Not sure I would call them edgy, but more sophisticated. Also, I did not get 40’s glamour boudoir in his designs at all. Daniel’s was too simple I think. I wish he had risked a little more, but it is what it is. I don’t think it is bad line, just maybe too simple for the judges’ tastes. Chloe’s line, I liked but it just felt a little off. All in all, they all had 3 amazing lines to be shown in Bryant Park and they should be proud of themselves for all they have accomplished. If this is the future of American fashion, I think we are headed down a great path. Sorry for the length.

Anonymous said...

At first, I thought Chloe didn't choose Kara because Kara can sometimes cave under pressure, but, as someone said, Kara had her own collection to complete, so maybe the producers didn't want anyone choosing her?

Lisa said...

i always liked Santino, even if I didnt like everything he made..he did have a few good ones in there. I do like his collection tho. I would love to see him win.
I wasnt crazy about Chloe's.
I did like Daniel's tho. It was great seeing Nick and Andrae again.
I cant wait to see next week...but I'm gonna be sad to see it end. What a season!

nsa said...

Hey, so do you think that Kara had to whip up one extra look in the same time frame to maintain the decoy thing, or do you think they told her ahead of time? If they didn't tell her, that would be just plain mean. (however, that would be in line with the spirit of the challenge)

Also, I remember thinking the pictures I saw of Chloe's collection had way too much gold. But I think, because her fabrics were so much a part of the identity of the collection, she couldn't just buy some other fabric--it would stick out like a sore thumb.

Anonymous said...

Now Santino makes sense. His life experiences have created this tough, arrogant shell that he uses deflect the criticisms of others. I think he probably lashes out at others before they can critize him. Get's in the first blow. His experiences could have made him a martyr or a fighter and you can tell which way he went.

I agree that Daniel's collection is very "Banana Republic" friendly. And since that is who he is hoping to apprentice with if he wins, he played it safe by playing up to their style.

I also agree that Cloe's collections had a bit too much poofy 80's prom dress elements. I did not like the fat pink ribbon details on the dress she showed Tim. It was too strong an element on that dress. Her best work on the challenge episodes showed her beautiful taste for the female form and this collection did not honor that as much.

Santino's collection is toned down from what he did in the challenges. But if you think about it, he had to create 12 looks that all fit together cohesively. He can't use a "costumey" design philosophy to fulfill that. Plus he too needed to accept that he was working towards an apprenticeship with BR so he probably wanted to appeal more to that mainstream. I personally liked his pieces a lot. And - I can't believe I'm saying this - I kind of liked him a lot more after this episode.

Finally, I think the last-minute challenge was a bit of unfair TV drama. We saw enough pain and angst from those designers not to put them through another hurdle. I am glad they were at least able to get the extra set of hands to help. I too agree that Cloe's choice of Diana may have been a mistake. The boys definitely picked the right people to help them out.

Boy, I am sure going to miss having this fun, creative, frustrating, drama-filled show to mull over when it is all over!

Marianne said...

It's funny because I think I really despised at least one outfit from each collection. Probably more. I feel kind of let down by all of them.

Chloe's is my favorite. Even though I don't get the poofiness of it all, I love the back cuts and hem detailing.

DV's was really basic. A lot of the clothes I felt I'd seen a thousand times in the mall.

Santino's was awkward. It kind of reminded me of Wendy Pepper's from last year. Then some of the big half-poncho half-shrug things that draped over the models were incredibly unflattering.

I think the top two collections from last year FAR outshine this year's. They both had a wonderful POV, great detailing, fit well, and suited the designer's style. I don't get that vibe this year.

El Blog de Mei-Ling said...

always thought chloe should win; not so sure anymore. i like some of santino's design and many of daniel's. oh, well! i guess we will finally see next week.

feeling a little dissapointed about this season's final.

((-_)))

Anonymous said...

At first I thought Kara seemed upset at not being chosen to help Chloe. She and Emmett both seemed to have odd looks on their faces. But, the more I thought about it... I bet Kara was really feeling the pain of her fellow designers. It must have been odd to be herded into that room to find all three of them visibly distraught and be unable to comfort or reassure them.

sallahdog said...

I only want people to win based on their clothes, not on their "personality" (or the personality that the editors chose for us to see, lets face it, in any given week, you could edit me to look like a saint or a sinner if you are just choosing a few moments out of the week.

I was in Vegas recently, walking through the shops at the various casinos (lol, I am not a gambler,but a shopper.) Most of the major designers have shops there. Honestly I would have been more impressed with Santinos collection if I hadn't seen so much of it already in some other designers collection.

Daniels was subtle, yet with interesting details and a real sophistication that I must admit I loved. But then I have my own biases to designers that are less about POW and more about the sophistication and the details.

Chloes was really hit and miss for me. I must admit, I am not a fan of shiny fabric ( too many times as a bridesmaid, lol). BUT, I found her pieces to be interesting in their construction and a few I LOVED.
Soooooo... I think one could make a case for any of them to win. If someone had to twist my arm, I would tend to choose Daniel (although throughout the competition I have liked Chloe better.)

star7girl7 said...

Secondly, I guess we have the answer to Chloe's question of who will sew his stuff, he said "I had this sunburst pleat sewn." But it is not outside the realm of the contract from what I gather. Just thought that was an interesting quote in the show.

Actually, I believe he had the fabric pleated, not sewn. This is a standard thing for designers to do. They send a non-pleated fabric out to be pleated. The pleating company "sets" the pleats into the fabric - it does not involve sewing. This is not something that anyone is expected to do in a normal sewing workshop - it requires special equipment. If you are doing a small piece of fabric - a bodice inset, for example - you can use a pleater at home, but these usually only go to about 24" wide. (There are two kinds, one is a sort of cylindar with needles that pierce the fabric - this is usually used to prepare fabric for smocking; the other is a flat piece of board with a whole bunch of flaps on one side - you put the fabric in between the flaps and press it. Very fiddly either way.) For large amounts of fabric like you'd need for a whole evening gown, you must send your fabric out to be pleated.

Gigi said...

Chloe freaked me out. No sketches? OMG! How can you hope to build a cohesive collection without *any* sketches? :-O

I was shocked to see Tim so unresponsive to Daniel's collection. I thought the clothes were kind of ordinary when I looked at the runway show photos but found Tim's reaction a bit alarming - as did Daniel!

Surprisingly, I liked Santino. I can't believe I'm saying that! He seemed very sensitive and almost vulnerable last night. Why was he so mean to everyone on the show? I can only think that maybe @ is correct! We are all being manipulated. I did like what I saw of his collection. Where has the wickety-wack gone?

Anonymous said...

In one of the interviews with Chloe, she said that she got along best with Emmett and Diana. With Nick and Andrae already picked, Kara probably off-limits, who was left? Emmett was probably slightly upset that he wasn't picked, but again - he's a menswear designer. Diana may not have the best sewing skills, but she does have lots of ideas - and that's what Chloe was lacking at that point - ideas. The sewing she could probably do herself blindfolded.

AJ said...

What's up y'all...sorry I missed the party last night!

There was so much information thrown at us during this episode...I LOVED it!

Santino- in a word, he was humanized. I think all of the snide comments he has made throughout the show are a defense mechanism. I'll insult you before you can put me down type behavior. I've seen it before, I've DONE it before...I'm not going to feel sorry for him about it, but it explains a lot of the way he acted throughout the filming of the show.

That being said, I do really like his collection. He toned the whickety-whack down the right way and his pieces look fierce so far! I can't wait to see them on the runway next week.

Daniel- Tim's silence/disappointment would unnerve the heck out of me too! Yes, his designs are very simple, but very chic at the same time and what makes them special really is in the details. The button detailing looks so fabulous on those skinny pants, the shift dress and that white jacket is stunning. The pictures from FW show how lovely the clothes look on the models and again, I can't wait to see them in motion.

Chloe- It's very Knot's Landing. I'm just not a huge fan of the shimmery fabric mixed with wide shoulders and poofy skirts. I think that the pieces look worse on the hangers then they did in the pictures from FW, but I like that Chloe was a bit more ambitious. It might not have worked too well...but again, we won't know until the show airs next week. Plus, how scary that she had to flee Laos at such a young age...I had no idea.

The bomb- the bomb would be the one that Tim and Heidi dropped on the designers. How much does that suck? You've got three strung out and exhausted designers preparing for the biggest day of their lives and then you spring THIS on them?! I can't blame Chloe for crying!

But when they said they'd have extra hands, I got all excited. Especially when I saw Kara, cuz I figured that they'd bring back the 3 most recently cut designers. Then Lupe was right behind Kara and I was literally like "LUPE?!?!" Then I was releived because everyone came through the door and I actually squealed a little because Andrae and Nick were back. Yes...I'm a giant nerd.

Anyway...I seriously have no idea who's going to win. I'd like to see it go to Daniel just cuz he's my favorite of the three, but the producers are tricky on this show...we won't know until the bitter end;)

AJ said...

holy h*ll...I wrote a book!

sorry so long!

Anonymous said...

I was expecting Chloe to pick Kara for sure but am thrilled she picked Diana. I want more Diana! The other choices Dan and Nick, Santino and Andre went like I thought they would. More Nick and Andre! I puzzled at Chloe’s choice because Kara is good and they seemed to bond. But then I thought maybe Chloe was so overwhelmed with the pressure of a 13th design in 48 hours and Kara does get indecisive at crunch time. Maybe that’s why she went with the calmer Diana. The producers were down right mean to the designers to issue this last minute challenge. But you have to admit it makes for great drama.

Trish said...

I wanted Chloe to pick Emmett, based on the fact that from here, we know that they are great friends. But she probably thought to herself that Emmett is busy with the opening of his store and Kara is also showing. Not sure she's doing herself a favor with Diana though, but I guess we'll see...

Anonymous said...

On the whole Santino debacle - I agree that we're being manipulated. But in a different way than "@" thinks. Read on...

Week after week, seeing the judges have letSantino get away with poorly executed or downright UGLY clothes based on the same tired excuse that he is creative and just needs to reign it in.

People got kicked out of the show for a lot less than Santino's glued-on sleeve, or the many ridiculous outfits he showed inbetween the few that were actually beautiful. As if the other designers were not creative?

Below are possible reasons for this sham:

1) As we all know, the judges consult with the producers to decide who gets kicked out (if you don't believe me, read the small print when the credits roll up at the end of the show). Santino provides drama. It's good TV. The producers will push to keep him on and make whatever excuses they need to.

2) The judges are far more insecure than they let on. Let's face it, these judges became the B-list celebrities they now are because of the show, not the other way around. A-list judges would include a real supermodel like Naomi Campbell, a real designer like Galliano, Gaultier, etc and the editor for Vogue, not for Elle... Santino talks back to them and can be really aggressive. At the end of the day, this whole thing is very subjective and if Santino shouts loud enough, it will hit on the judges' insecurity and they will second-guess themselves.

So - when I think about the final contest, there must be an interesting dynamic happening. The producers probably did not want Santino to win because he's the designated villain (as the NYT calls him). On the other hand, if he had a decent collection, the judges may be invested on him enough to tip the scale, causing the producers to have a desperate attempt to cast him in a more positive light yesterday.

All I know is that I'm tired of these gimmicks and while I like the drama, I like fairness better. No matter how good his final collection, Santino should have been eliminated long ago. If he wins this thing, there's not enough manipulation in the world that will want me make watch season 3!!

sarahlad said...

Predicting Santino for the win.... Also, looks like from the previews Michael Kors is giving it to Chloe and Daniel. (I don't like thos patch things either....) Thought the extra look was mane spirited and hopefully it will not take away the energy or excitement from the designers. Santino- who knew! I like him more now and konw wheather or not her wins, he goes far! If you read Tim's reaction to meeting with Santino, I think you know that he is genuine. I trust Tim's take on that.... Santino was making for good competition, good tv and good design......

Anonymous said...

I've thought for weeks that Dan V. who in my opinion has won several Runway challenges by default, would win it all - not so sure now.

Wasn't it Dan V. who said that Kara made clothes that looked too J.C. Penney?? That's exactly what his collection reminds me of! Just walk thru Penney's and pull and you can pull any of it right off the rack. I'm so disappointed that he'd throw away the chance of a lifetime on such mundane clothing.

Chloe was my favorite during the show but her collection - ugh. What was she thinking???

Santino's collection, again in my opinion, is the best of the three. None of the three collections are "BAM" as Kara would say, but Santino's is the one that makes me go back to look a second and third time.

Peachpie said...

So my thoughts on the episode last night:
1. the whole show is manipulation so just let it flow over you and enjoy
2. chloe made a really odd choice picking diana and i am really not sure why-they didn't even appear to be that close during the show but maybe there were things we didn't see.
3. they all said mean and hateful things during the course of the show - santino actually told people to their faces what others where whispering behind there backs-that is actually a sign of character. of course he could have been nicer, they all had moments where they could have been nicer.
4. based on the collections i really liked santino's the best-i am not sure i would wear anything from anyones just because none of them are my style, but his seemed the most polised. I did like dan v.'s purse though.

Jaxx said...

Enjoyed the show! interesting twist for the designers. I always knew there was more to Santino so I wasn't surprised by his background...I am not buying that Tim was "that" disappointed with Daniel V. Anyone with a "good eye" can respect the talent of this young man. If he is this good at 24 watch out! His collection was the only collection I could see myself buying every last piece and a coat in every color on the spot. Such class, elegance, sophistication and he knows how to accentuate a woman's body and curves. Daniel V. knows how to make clothes that makes a woman feel and look sexy. The details in his clothes reveals his passion and every woman loves a man that understands her body! A-Men!!!

Val said...

i think the puffy pink Chloe jacket resembles a dress I wore to 8th grade graduation in the 80s.

Andrea said...

the one thing that really bothered me during this episode, was that the designers had a lot of time to work on thier collections. So i was really surprised they seemed to have so much work to do still.

otherwise, i really like santino's collection. Dan's seems a bit safe and Chole's is very hit or miss.

I think santino may be the winner, which is party why they tried to humanize him so much this week.

Only one more week. I can't wait to see who wins. Although i wish all of the designers had shown edgy collections. Kara's was the only one that actually seemed like a new pospective. too bad she can't win.

Anonymous said...

im surprised that it seems im in the minority of people completely disgusted with the "twist". sure, last minute deadlines are part of the process, but certainly the whole notion of a collection is it takes time, preplaning, and the surprises should be in the problems encountered execution, not in the actual design brief.

this "twist" took a show that had a comfortable balance of "reality television drama" with connection to an actual industry and craft...and screwed that balance entirely.

the surprise is more than a surprise, its a sign that, as I've said before, the production team is tired , lazy, and losing their creative edge.

david

B. Harlow said...

I think requiring the designers to crank out yet another dress/garment is pure cruelity at this point. Santino hadn't even fitted his models yet, and all of those alterations that needed to be made on Chloe's designs, and the details on Daniel's that needed to be added, etc. All of the designers looked as if they were about to be drafted to war, even before they knew what the 'surprise' would be.
It was if the producers asked seasoned designers what exactly would be the hardest wrench they could throw into the mess before Fashion Week, and then the producers said, "Hey, thanks for your input. Let's do just that!"

Brent said...

Regarding Santino, I just want to weigh in with my slice of luv for the big guy.

Santino actually reminds me a lot of one of my best friends - They have very similar personalities. My friend is a radio personality who is half Chinese and half Mexican. She comes from a lower Middle class family and has always felt that she has to fight for everything. And actually, people would look at her and think she was kind of bizarre if she didn't come back at them with her super strong personality and insults and, yes, also impressions and funny voices. She really knows how to stand her own ground.

The offense people took to Santino's comments and that they would consider him egotistical is a lack of understanding on the part of these folks. He has a good heart, and his insults should be taken more along the lines of what you might expect from a surly waitress at a favorite truck stop. Only far, far classier and more beautifully delivered.

Gotta love the guy.

JRT said...

adrienne, i have been waiting for you response. so perfectly said. i could read you writings (or stories) all day long. so well spoken and very knowledgeable.


now as a dan fan, i do have to say, i think the idea that he is catering to the Banana Republic intership is not as true as you want it to be. His clothes throughout the season have been in this style. It can't be said that he is not designing for himself when throughout the episodes he has continued on this simple, chic, basic, whatever word you want to describe it with philosophy. And can I say, if that is JC Penny, I am going now to buy something from JC Penny, because I have never seen anything that fitted, detailed, or lush in JC Penny.

Anonymous said...

Santino is kind of annoying, but his collection is really the best and he has certainly paid his dues.

I agree that Daniel's line is boring, but I think Chloe's is atrocious and I'm suprised that Tim didn't seem more disappointed with her. Kara's is the only real competition with Santino's. Too bad they probably aren't going to show it.

praddicted said...

I love Santino's collection and I am not a Santino fan. I think it's interesting that Santino is coming across as more likeable and human, and Daniel more-shall we say *confident*. Trying to level the playing field, personality-wise? Tim is making me nervous, too. His comments usually come back on the runway and I'm nervous about Daniel.

I was surprised to see Chloe choose Diana but it kind of makes sense-in this situation I think Andrae (love him) is the strongest-he can help design with a fresh eye AND sew. Nick is great but he needs to give Daniel a new perspective, to shake him up a little and he doesn't like to go against people, KWIM? Diana was the 3rd best, I guess in this situation. Too bad Raymundo is sort of unknown-I have a sense he would be good. Love to see HIM on season 3.

I wish we had seen more of the collections being created and the preparations for FW. Lots of PR models were used, did they try out? Could be that I always just want to see more but I feel like that part was shortchanged. And yes, what is Kara doing now? How does she get her models, etc? I'd like to see some of that-

Loved seeing the 13 again. Wonder if this was before or after the reunion show?

Now I'm not sure of the winner-I think Santino has a strong case. And played up or not, I do like what we saw last night. To me, it spoke volumes about him-not that it excuses him but I think we saw another side that doesn't come out easily. Loved the kids hanging on him. I'm still rooting for Daniel but I wish we had seen some of these Santino designs during the season.

Anonymous said...

....i went to the show and daniel's collection was the best. he had a nice mix whereas Santino showed only evening wear and chloe's was just blah. i think daniel deserves to win based on raw talent. his collection looked sophisticated and expensive. and we all know its all about looking expensive.

Anonymous said...

Let's be honest, the producers of PR have manipulated all of us from the start and I agree with some that they are setting us up for a win for Santino....YUK. He has scored the lowest all three designers this season. Daniel has produced well made and good looking garments consistently. It’s unfortunate that some think his line is boring when in actuality its classic. The fans of season two are smart and won’t take it very lightly if we’re manipulated into a win for Santino. They do want us showing up for season 3, correct?

Anonymous said...

Can you all stand a couple more observations about Santino?:

Last night Santino seemed to be picking his words more carefully in what appears to be the post summer footage. Still says what he thinks about everyone else though.
Regarding how different his collection seems to be with what he did on the show, he did say when under the time gun he threw more and more on to make it clear he had a creative point of view, a risky but ultimately successful strategy but not necessary for FW as he had the time to develop.
I'm so ambivalent about him, hate the stupid, jr. high behavior, like his designs when he thinks them out.
And BTW, speaking as a resident of LA (in the boring suburbs I admit), I'm wondering how he ended up renting that place in Hollywood? Real estate in that area is pricy! Something must have changed radically.

Lastly, Chloe said in yesterday's blog the designers interacted intensely with each other and knew who could do what. I would think Chloe felt she had good reason to pick Diana, although I can't fathom what is was.

Anonymous said...

I liked Santino from the first show... I think he's an artist, and very passionate about being a fashion designer.

I can see why people would hate on him, sadly. He's an easy target. I think a lot of what he said was taken out of context, he has a sarcastic wit about him. I didn't always LOVE everything he designed, but I respected his vision and ability. I think Daniel V. is extremely talented too, but hasn't 'paid his dues' like many of the other designers.

I liked a lot of Chloe's designs throughout the show, I think she makes very pretty clothes, but I'm not feeling her final collection. I did think the blue dress with the cut outs on the back was very nice.

Overall, I want Santino to win badly, but if Daniel V. won I wouldn't be upset or surprised.

Anonymous said...

This last challenge can only be described as truly heinous.

Having myself just finished a 20-hour sew-til-you-drop competition, I can fully sympathize with the emotions of the three designers. On top of fitting 12 models and finishing touches, they have to switch gears and design another outfit from scratch that works with the collection in less than 2 days?

The producers have so grossly manipulated the direction of the show that I find it dificult to watch. I feel used and would prefer to see the designers' work instead of coping with the "twists" of the competition.

BTW - I was pleasantly surprised by Santino's collection and wouldn't be shocked if he did have some help with his construction since he struggled so much during the show. I have a feeling the producers want him to win but in my mind, it is really a coin toss who will actually win.

Bill from Memphis said...

While reviewing Fashion Week reports, I came across the report on the Project Runway collections. Much to my surprise I found Karen Janx's collection included with the others. Anyone know how that happened? I smell intrigue.

Anonymous said...

The designers don't get an internship with Banana Republic if they win.
The get a mentorship, which according to Jay McCarroll, means they get someone's phone number at BR so they can call and ask them questions.

SciMommy said...

I'm very conflicted about who will win and even who I would like to win. It's between Daniel and Santino on both counts. I think it's more likely that Daniel will win, but I really want Santino to do well overall. For the first few episodes, I hated both his designs and his personality. Then his personality but NOT his designs slowly grew on me. Now I can say that I like him and can relate to him better than to Daniel. Despite Daniel's hardships, "being labeled a fag" and growing up gay in the uptight Midwest, he feels good about himself and will always be one of the "popular" kids. Santino has serious self-esteem issues and will never feel part of the crowd. This I can relate to. Santino's collection pleasantly shocked me - I did not expect such beautiful stuff. My only qualm with it (as well as with Chloe's collection) is that it mainly consists of dresses so it doesn't feel very well rounded. Daniel's, on the other hand, has outfits for all occasions. Plus, Daniel will probably make best use of the Banana Republic mentorship, whatever that means, whereas Santino will just turn it down like Jay did. So I'm picking Daniel to win but keeping my fingers crossed for Santino in the long run.

Jan the Dan Fan said...

jaxx-I agree completely on your Daniel comments! And it's not because I think he's this wonderfully kind and beautiful person, but because I LOVE his designs! (Being so hot and sweet are just added bonuses when it comes to Daniel.)

I'm not in the fashion industry and don't care for the costume-like designs that I would never wear. Call me "boring", but I love seeing classic pieces with special unique detailing which is what we get with Daniel. I WANT that "winter white" coat!

As for the show, I think it's still Daniel's to win. The editing has fooled us many times in the past. There were competitions that Daniel won and he wasn't featured in those commercials at all. We shall see though....

And woh--there was some hostility going on in this thread.

eric3000 said...

Darn, my post didn't work (I know you're all dissapointed!)

Well, I just wanted to congratulate those of you who predicted the surprise last night. As soon as Chloe said "I can't design one more garment" it was obvious that they would have to design one more garment. The editing is a little predictable.

I hope I like the collections more than I did last night. Chloe's did look very Knott's Landing or 1980s prom. And I was shocked she waited until the last minute to create it.

I think we are being manipulated into thinking Daniel's collection is worse than it is but I don't think we are being manipulated into liking Santino just to prepare us for his win. They did a very humanizing portrait of Wendy last season and she didn't win.

gumdropgurl said...

i'm about halfway through the episode (thanks TIVO!) and i have to say that Chloe and Daniel are grating on me. Especially Daniel, expecting grovelling praise from Tim and acting as if he never made snarky comments about other designers...remember his comment about Kara being "JCPenny" during the ice skating challenge?

NeveTigrilla said...

Does anyone else think that Dan and Santino may be the Finn Bell to someone's Arthur Lustig (Great Expectations)? Just a thought - maybe the show producers are helping them out so they have a roof under which to produce their collections.
Cool with me.

Does anyone else think that Chloe put very little, and last minute, thought into her collection, that it was hideous '80s Texas debutante garbage in awful colors, that she *may* have gotten a *lot* of help making (and possibly designing?) the garments, that she just didn't seem that into it, and that her spot should have gone to someone else with more drive? Like Andre or Nick?

I think Santino's colors were *beautiful* and he has West Coast appeal - maybe for summer back East. Don't want to get into the interpersonal drama - that is *everywhere* even when the stakes are not so high. He might have a harder time dealing with arrogant spoiled clients though, and I keep seeing his stuff fitting into the concept better at Max Studio than Banana Republic. But I think he would work very hard.

I think Daniel's are more upscale, versatile, and sophisticated looking (but maybe he should have laquered the handles on the bags to go with the bag's materials better - I saw Tim Gunn's point on those). But he is also very gifted and would fit easily into the culture.

I'm torn - I don't know who I think 'should' win - I think Chloe shouldn't at this point - but actually wish both Daniel and Santino could - but realize that good opportunities will still go to those who don't come in first, so none of them really loses by getting this far.

NeveTigrilla said...

Since when did the blog stop allowing anonymous comments?
Why?
I don't think exclusivity is the answer to whatever the problem.

iluvtimgunn said...

I was kind of hoping Chloe didn't pick Kara since Kara, to me, stabbed Chloe in the back to some extent on the final four show. I'm one who holds grudges, so I would not have picked her for that reason. Choosing Diane kind of baffles me, though.

Nina Myers said...

Do you think they wouldn't let any of them choose Kara because she had a collection of her own to get ready?

alx9 said...

I think people are forgetting that they HAD six months (i think?) to work on their collections at home, bringing it to New York unfinshed is their choice. So the 13th addition was totally in the relm of fairness.

KidLyd said...

I SO hope Santino wins it all, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this might belong to Danny V. I interpreted Tim Gunn's silence as a "ohmygosh, this is brilliant and he's going to win" response and not wanting to lead Daniel to believe that just yet.

Daniel's purse ---- hated it! Daniel's response to TG's lack of one (to his collection) --- hated that, too. Constructive criticism (or any criticism for that matter) is hard to take, especially when you put yourself out there like these designers have, but there was something very prima donna-ish about Daniel V. last night.

Whoever said that Daniel increased his gay quotient by 400% last night was right (or something like that)! It was kind of cute to see him let his hair down, so to speak. And I always thought Daniel came across very mature for his age, but last night he acted his age. I really don't mean for that to come across as a criticism, it's just that there was a playfulness and youthfulness in him last night that I hadn't really seen before.

Well, enough about Daniel. GO SANTINO!!!!

fluffsters said...

first, i think it's awful that pr demanded another garment from them. they are all spent and stressed out enough already, and it looked like they saved some work to do while they are there. how is daniel supposed to finish everything? i hope pr is not setting us up with all the negativity of daniel's collection, and then he ends up winning. wouldn't surprise me. i still love santino's the best. after kara's. his dress that they keep showing is stunning.

erin said...

I am so sad I missed posting last night during the show.

Santino has come around. Maybe that's what happens when you're on reality tv. Much more likable this go round. And I was thrilled that he chose Andrae to be his assistant. More Andrae makes me smile.

Surprised by Tim's reactions to Dan's collection. Obviously he was too. No surprise there as he has quite the following.

Chloe looks beat. The surprise is sorta rough; I feel for the designers.

NeveTigrilla said...

jrt said:
"Secondly, I guess we have the answer to Chloe's question of who will sew his stuff, he said "I had this sunburst pleat sewn."

That's not what I heard.
I heard "I had this sunburst pleated."

That means he knows someone who had the tools to do that professionally - like a pressing machine. I would have done that too.

Do you really think Chloe sewed 12 outfits in a month by herself when she didn't have it going when Tim Gunn showed up at month 5? I don't. I think she had some help.

And alx9 said:
"I think people are forgetting that they HAD six months (i think?) to work on their collections at home, bringing it to New York unfinshed is their choice."

This is a fitting issue, not a laziness issue - remember Zulema's sweater dress with the exposed derriere? Its easier to do it once than get it wrong and have to do it over again.

Toothy Tile said...

Chloe's collection was very hit or miss to me. I absolutely love her blue suit with the back cut out and the dress Grace wears, but some of the other outfits (the puffy pink Balenciaga-esque monstrosity) are just downright bad.

Daniel's.. I'm not sure. I'm all for classic pieces, but his (lack of) colors were really dull. I know its a winter line and all.. but come on. I also didn't like the purses. I actually liked the actual purse part (I thought the detailing was really nice), but the handles were all wrong. The wood itself looked 'raw' and unfinished. It should've been stained and lacquered at the very least. I also thought the handle on one of them was ridiculous.. when you see the pictures, she purse is hanging down past her knees! However, his white coat is just to-die-for!

Santino's was a serious surprise. I was expecting a crazy mess.. Sasha Cohen skating outfit to the extreme. But the designs were great, the color choice was spot-on, and it was really wearable. I actually like his last minute 13th outfit more than a couple of the other ones, though.

That being said.. I'm very disappointed Santino did not send his 13th model down the runway in just pasties and a maxi pad. That would've been PRICELESS.

KidLyd said...

Pasties and a maxi-pad! LOL! I practically snorted when he said that last night! He's so freakin' funny.

Lovin' me some Santino!

alx9 said...

Nevetigrilla said
"This is a fitting issue, not a laziness issue - remember Zulema's sweater dress with the exposed derriere? Its easier to do it once than get it wrong and have to do it over again."

Yeah, I totally understand that part, I was eluding to the fact that Daniel's white coat had no buttons on it or the fact that some of the hems were uneven. I'm sure that some of the things you had to do at that moment, but I think that some of the alterations could of been fixed before-hand. Like Chloe, she seemed to have everything under control with her outfits and the fittings. Daniel, in my opinion, seemed to be grasping at straws. I'm not just saying this because I think Chloe or Santion should win, I'm just "thoughtful".

Mo said...

Axl-
I think people are forgetting that they HAD six months (i think?) to work on their collections at home, bringing it to New York unfinshed is their choice. So the 13th addition was totally in the relm of fairness.

Yeah, I agree that their collections should have been finished, but beyond that they had a lot to do. Some things may have been put off due to the fact these garments had to travel so they kind of had to be last minute additions. Also, they had so much to do - choose models, make alterations, etc. in order to get ready for their shows. In that respect, the 13th outfit still seems kind of unfair to me.
-a

Lorraine said...

I'm glad Santino has had a chance to realize how awful he was but I'm still not convinced he's had a transformational experience. They could have rubbed him with candy to get those kids to hang on him. Whatever. His collection looks better on the hangers than on the girls. After reviewing the collections again I like Chloe's best. I think I see now why Tim was so quiet looking at Dan's. The clothes are fine but not too wow. As for the surprise, I think that was just plain cruel and unusual punishment. Maybe if they'd let each designer have a couple of helpers but man, I wanted to cry, too!

mdizzy said...

To Gail,
You say you grew up in MO, too, but was it St. Charles? And are you biracial/bisexual/6'5" with a disabled father. I gotta tell you, that has got to be pretty tough growing up like that in a place like new york, much less a backwards,ultra conservative, good ol boys town like st. charles.

Anyway, I thought Santino's collection was the best. I don't know what Daniel was talking about when he said his collection was "hot." Did anyone else hear this? Hot for who, my mother? Dude, you are 24, come with some youth. As for Chloe, I totally agree that it reaks of 1980s, Knots Landing, a prom, and a wedding all rolled into one.

I thought the twist was dumb, nut good drama and it allowed us to see our favorites again

MNchic said...

i thought that the surprise was kind of mean also, because the designers had spent so much time making these other really fabulous garments, and now the have to make another one while they're pretty much drained of all energy. plus, they still have other adjustments to make to their garments, and that takes time. this extra outfit that the make could make or break their collection, which isn't really fair.

biancasbeatrix said...

This could be considered a spoiler...but not really. I was snooping around online today and found links to the Fashion Week Collections:

Daniel:
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/danielvosovic/#

Santino:
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/santinorice/

Chloe:
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/chloedao/

Kara Janx
http://www.newyorkmetro.com/fashion/fashionshows/2006/fall/main/newyork/womenrunway/karajanx/

Daniel's bags SUCKED! (smiling)
I am betting on Santino - he's talented and interesting...

biancasbeatrix said...

And you guys should give Santino a break...seriously - he's usually on the money - (Remember his comment about Diana? Her voice is annoying!) He's a big kid, he's edgy, he's entertaining...
Let's take a moment to imagine a show...much like Project Jay, but with Daniel. BORING!...Project Chloe would be so dull they would use it to put patients to sleep at a sleep clinic.
Heh.
It's not just fashion my friends ...it's personality, charisma and Santino has it!
And Daniel's bags STILL SUCK!
Heh!

JoeyWaynesMom said...

this may have already been addressed from the "what's your line" episode...but it didn't occur to me until last night.

Since Daniel V. meets Iman at the Elle magazine closet, does that signify that he's the winner? Maybe he was there preparing garments for his photo shoot?

Toothy Tile said...

Iman wore Daniel's dress to the Elle viewing party held for Season 2 on Dec 7, 2005. This was obviously months before Fashion Week.

Adriana said...

Santino hasn't been "humanized." He's been "human" all along. We've only seen him through a very narrow and blurry lense. He's passionate, HILARIOUS, sarcastic, light-hearted, insecure, ambitious, and from what I can tell, kind. We've seen him say mean things without much of a context, which can't provide a very accurate view of the man. As someone else said, we can hate Santino for calling Chloe a great pattern maker, but just before Chloe had called him a bad sewer. From what I can tell, he was just responding with the inverse of her insult. I don't think we're being manipulated to like Santino, just like we weren't being manipulated to hate Santino. Everything he said - the good and the bad - he has to own. Nobody forced or coerced him into saying those mean things. But I do think we have to recognize that those mean things have a context, were said under immense pressure and stress, could have and probably were mostly jokes (he has an off-color sense of humor), may have been responses to others' criticisms of him, and alone don't tell us what sort of person he is. I really loved pieces from all the collections (including Kara's), but I have to say that I think Santino's is superior all around.

Erica said...

Saw the show in rerun last night. Regarding the comment Santino made re: Chloe's stuff, well, it may have not been a nice thing to say, but it was true. And if we can forgive Jay for occasionally being an ass in his snarky commentary, then I think we can forgive the newly introspective Santino for the same.

I didn't like him much either all season long. My taste is probably up my butt in this regard, since I have a soft spot for Daniel F. (Yeah, he's a goober. But then, I've been a goober in my life sometimes. So I can relate. And I took care of my dad too. So, whatchagonna do. Soft spot.)

At least Santino was trying to be better this time around. I appreciated the effort. And since I was the picked on person in school too, I can relate to his background (so he's developing his own soft spot in my heart). With him making that effort, and Daniel and Chloe acting all cliqueish toward him, I found my self rooting for the underdog.

Eh, so I'm an all-sucker. Wouldn't be the first time. Again, whatchagonna do.

And I can forgive Santino for two other reasons. While I can't trust his perspective on his own stuff during the show, his comments on other's work was often quite right.

I also find myself wondering how much of Kara's makeover of him he deserves the credit for, and how much she deserves the credit for. It was his taste as much as hers. And the fabrics were mostly picked out by him.

I really do think he has good taste. So when he says, in a very sincere voice, that if Daniel can't see what's wrong with his collection, that he's worried for him, I believe he is indeed worried for Daniel. And I believe there might be something wrong.

Not to mention that I don't buy for a moment that Tim would be in on any sort of deception regarding misleading us or Daniel about what his collection looks like. I think that Tim is underwhelmed. I think that Santino is underwhelmed. And many of us who've looked at the line are underwhelmed.

I will not root for Daniel V. to win because I like him or Nick or think they are nice and/or cute. I've seen too much of that sort of popularity contest on several PR boards.

Is the last show live? If not, then the people editing this show already know who won. I think they are giving Santino a good edit because they need to prepare the audience for the idea that it wouldn't be the end of the world if Santino wins.

I think his collection is the best. And I hope he is indeed the winner, personality issues and all.

Adriana said...

I agree with littleclarkie. The PR producers might be preparing the angry mob for a Santino victory. As far as Tim Gunn's reaction to Daniel Vosovic's collection, I'll say this - Tim was not impressed with Daniel's designs. The problem being, of course, that Daniel had no time to respond to Tim's legitimate concerns. He was in the last phase of the design process - fittings and alterations. During the filming of Project Runway, I very rarely saw Tim Gunn criticize an outfit that turned out to be one of the judges' favorites. In fact, the only design I can recall off hand is Andrae's inspiration dress. Tim told Andrae that he had to make sure it wasn't too simple. Tim Gunn has a great eye and, if you are a PR designer, you hope that he tells you what's what before it's too late to change your outfit. The judges almost always repeated the same issues Tim Gunn warned the designers about in the work room. I trust Tim's reaction to Daniel's line. I am saddened for him, too. He's a brilliant designer and his technical skill is unparalleled.

NeveTigrilla said...

Hey alx9
I see your point - you're right - maybe some could have been done sooooooner.
But I really do think there may have been a lot more hands on Chloe's garments to help with the finishing than were on Dan's or Santino's.
Like maybe about 16 or 18? ;-)
Wonder if they had any rules about that?

A.C. said...

Time to unwad those panties folks! You're feeling "manipulated"? Isn't that the nature of the beast we call TV? It's all about "manipulating"... from the shows (Reality TV or other) to the news to the commercials... I applaud Project Runway for being so entertaining while showing a GLIMPSE into SOME parts of and SOME personality types in the fashion industry. To judge the entire industry on what you see on TV short-changes them as well as yourselves.

Regarding some other comments:

1. The surprise: All the challenges were about pushing and testing their creativity, passion and ability to "carry on" and "make it work" under harsh time and budget restraints. Why stop now?

2. The designers should have had their collections done before returning for FW. Didn't they think they'd have enough to do with fittings, alterations, the production of the show and distractions from the media/public?

3. Comparisons to Season 1: Winner Jay was extremely creative and "out there" [like Santino], well-liked [Daniel V.], opinionated [Santino]. I love, love, love Jay, yet his collection was targeted to a unique market of which I am not a part of (but I can still incorporate some parts into my own "age-appropriate" wardrobe). Many people (including myself) thought Kara Saun would be the winner [Daniel V.]. She was easy-going and professional [Chloe], won many challenges (the most IIRC) [Daniel V.], spoke to a broader market [Daniel V. and Chloe], and had a sense of creative flair with textures [Santino].

I don't envy the judges. They'll have to work through ALL the factors that go into the final decision with ALL three finalists showing successes AND short-comings in their collections as well as their journey to FW. Regardless, it's just the combined OPINION of the judges as to who is named the winner. The industry and the buyers will be the final judges and, with all the creative talent shown over Season 2, there will be multiple WINNERS!

alx9 said...

"But I really do think there may have been a lot more hands on Chloe's garments to help with the finishing than were on Dan's or Santino's.
Like maybe about 16 or 18? ;-)
Wonder if they had any rules about that?"

I was wondering this too. I heard that they must complete the collection on their own. But the PR camera's can't live in Chloe's garage for six months just to make sure that she isn't receving any help, along with Santino or Daniel. I guessing they are on the honor system, or someone checks on them constantly, which seems unrealistic. I don't get how Chloe turned out eleven more pieces in a matter of five weeks. Either "the fashion gods" blessed her with magical scissors or her sisters were in on it. That goes with Santino and Daniel, where do you go in the middle of New York City to cut wood like that for Daniels bags?

Liza said...

I think the sketches Dan showed Tim leaned towards richer colors and intersting pieces like that light green top with the detailed v-neck back. When time came, it was a different collection that Tim saw, now it had trims and buttons, and did not appear to be that Asian Flair that the light green top had.

Moi ;) said...

I wasn't really impressed that Chloe wasn't done but one outfit when Tim got to her place. These guys had months upon months to make 12 designs, there is really no excuse. Because you Know they've been thinking about them well before they even made it to the final 3. Not to mention that they have made better (in some cases) in a lot less time....

Erica said...

I also want to say that I felt as bad for the other designers as I did for the Santino, Daniel and Chloe when it came to the extra challenge. Some of them had the WORST looks on their faces, like it was killing some of them to be there.

I hope, via extra footage or something, it is explained why this last challenge was deemed a good idea. Until I hear from Tim or Andy or a judge or something, I'll hold back on whether I think it was a dirty deal or not.

Perhaps they just figured that they couldn't just do a copy of last year, that they needed to switch things up a bit. I'm hoping as they see what did and didn't work in Season 1 and 2, that they will ditch the bad and keep the good for Season 3.

But having seen the three dresses, I still like Santino's the best. Is it me or was Daniel's pretty much just a sack?

alx9 said...

^You know, not to be mean, but I did think that maybe Nick and Daniel pulled their inspriration from a potato sack. It just seemed too simplistic and just didnt fit, but thats a compliment because they've both shown so much better.

Jaxx said...

The Santino wave is just hilarious to me and the Oh Daniel V. is in trouble drama..his future is bright don't worry. I am with you Lorraine on the Santino remark. I deal with people on a daily basis who struggle and fight hard to overcome adversity and they still manage to be nice. Santino is good TV he knows it and Bravo knows it...Tim's "great eye" noticed the great detailing in Daniel V.'s collection...something I didn't hear him say to the others. Silence is golden :)

soldlikebagels said...

I know my memory's not what it used to be, but when Shoegate broke last season, didn't Jay talk about having to outsource things he could design but not make himself but paid other people to do? Personally, I don't care if all 3 of them had extra hands to sew their collections. To me, the point of going to Fashion Week is showing how well you design. PR has had it's share of good designers who could hardly sew. Does Kors even touch a sewing machine anymore?

eric3000 said...

soldlikebagels,

Paying for work to be done out of the budget they were given is allowed. Free assistance is not.

ramonakilldeer said...

Can someone please fill me in on what all that was about with Zulema, and Lupe and the broken glass in the closet? To my HORROR , I seem to have missed all that!

J. said...

Out of the 4 that showed at fashion week.. I thought Santino's and Kara's were the best.. Daniels was pretty Banana republic and Chloe's was a little boring..
Santino is clearly the best designer.. much of the garbage he made on the show was due to time contraints.. Kara too.. she doesn't work well with short deadlines.. 30 mins to sketch.. 30 mins to shop.. come on.. I hope they give the designers more time so we can see some better designs..

J. said...

I thought Daniel was a little over-confident.. I think watching the show went to his head a little and affected his designs..

biancasbeatrix said...

I agree Daniel V. has turned into quite the ego. "Oh really, you don't like my ugly bag!" Smiling. Sorry to keep going on about the woodshop bag thing...

I think Daniel V. is trying to play the game Santino started with. Confidence is important...but it seems like you have to have something to back it up with...in this case, he doesn't.

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