While deciding who would be the winner of PR2, the judges were shown reflecting on the body of work each designer had shown throughout the season. I thought it would be interesting to look back at Bravo's "Rate the Runway" pages and see what the viewers thought of each designers work. Here were the averages scores for each of the "Final 5" designers based on their solo designs during Season 2:
Chloe - 3.71
Nick - 3.54
Daniel V - 3.40
Kara - 3.08
Santino - 2.76
To me, this really shows how consistent Chloe performed on each challenge. She never had a clunker. Now let's look at the averages from the Final 3 collections:
Chloe - 3.58
Daniel V. - 3.52
Santino - 3.41
This one really surprised me. If you only listened to the armchair pundits, you would have thought Chloe fell flat on her face. But when you examine the collection piece-by-piece, her quality won the day. So, did the judges make the right call?
Yes, TBone - you were right all along!
I'm done with the lip-biting, remember?
I've been a Chloe fan all season as well and was glad to see this. I agree that if you just read the outraged Dan Fans and Santino Fans comments, you would've thought Chloe sucked all season, which is sooooo not the case.
It may show that Chloe, Daniel and Nick should have been in the final three, or why so many people wanted that result! How about the distributions of the ratings (on the runway outfits}? - averages don't tell everything. For instance, one designer could have all the ratings clustered around the mean and another could have highs and lows and get the same result - anyone game to analyze that? Good effort, Tbone
Good thoughts upstate - indeed both DV (white coat) and Santino(Heather's final dress) had individual pieces rated higher than Chloe's best.
On the flip side, even her much maligned opening couch-couture piece didn't rate as low (2.7) as Santino's leather corset flop (2.1) and was equal to DV's low (the military dress on Rachael).
It sort of typified her run - no real knock-out pieces, just high, consistent quality.
The overall final three should have been the top 3 on that list.
Chloe - 3.71(avg), 0.56(stdev)
Nick - 3.54(avg), 0.65(stdev)
Daniel V - 3.40(avg), 0.68(stdev)
Kara - 3.08(avg), 0.50(stdev)
Andrae - 2.77(avg), 0.88(stdev)
Santino - 2.76(avg), 0.83(stdev)
Chloe - 3.58(avg), 0.43(stdev)
Daniel V - 3.52(avg), 0.55(stdev)
Santino - 3.42(avg), 0.63(stdev)
Santino did have the highest rated garment (Heather's dress, final look) in the finale though.
Wow Umami - we are getting sophisticated here! Now can someone calculate if there is a (statistically) significant difference between the ratings for Chloe and Daniel? I don't think there is...they are essentially the same. There may be a significant differnce between Chloe and Santino.
One interesting thing about the "Rate the Runway" feature is that everyone starts at 3.0. So, even the least "aesthetically pleasing" design begins at a 3.0. It would take an awful lot of 1.0 votes to pull it down to a 1.5 for instance. If they would start at 0.0 we'd see many lower scores. Did that make sense? I just think the whole idea of starting everyone at 3.0 gives an advantage to lousy designs.
All well and good, but look at who is marketable. Santino has a total of $13,393.21 with a little less than 5 hours to go on the auctions. A fair return on the $8,000 they were each given. Daniel has a total of $7,921 a little short of the $8,000, but will probably do better than break-even when all is said and done. Chloe has a total of $6,130, she might break-even. Kara has a total of $4156.49, but since her collection was not shown on TV this is not surprising. You all know the saying: Money talks and bleep walks.
I think it makes sense that people rated Chloe's fashion week designs higher after the judges praised it and she ended up winning - people like to be on the winner's side, right?
Had to LOL on Upstate NY PR Fan's comments; obviously s/he has taken statistics.
Hey, USNYPRF: Just use the student's t-distribution (assuming that each curve is symmetric about the mean, which you really can't do because n<30).
I != heart statistics. I can run the scenarios if y'all really want me to (gawd knows I could use the practice). Looks like umami beat me to it, however.
Statistical significance means + or - 2 SD about the mean.
Regarding the statistical significance: If it's +/- 3 standard deviations, it's considered an "unusual" event.
Regarding Dennis' comment--I think Santino's making more money because of that one final dress. Hell if I know why Dan is making ANY money off of anything besides the coat and the 13th piece slip dress. Plus, you have to consider that only those both wealthy enough and knowledgeable enough to know to find the auctions and bid on them have their tastes on display.
For the most part, I agree with the ratings average here. Though I loved some of Santino's pieces, ultimately, he did not have as cohesive a collection. That's not even mentioning the fact that by their prior standards, the judges should have eliminated him during the Makeover Challenge. That episode still boggles the mind; the only conclusion that seems to make sense is that they kept him on for the drama (much like Wendy). Here's a lesson: it pays to be the villain!
Back to the finals--I think Dan could have emphasized his Asian roots in the collection much more than he did, so perhaps that was a selling weakness that they didn't come across in his clothes. Chloe's taste is vastly different from mine, and I didn't care for her color palette. (Dan just doesn't understand color, period.)
Obviously these are only my opinions. I enjoyed the runway show in Season One much more than than the one in Season Two, so take that as you will. ;)
Trying to sell Chloe? Just kidding. But really, I was not really a Chloe fan. She did great and beautiful work, but nothing that knocked me out. And as the US News week article put it, she wasn't who I chose to win it, but I can't say she doesn't deserve it.
Folklore, I have a different view on Daniel and color, maybe just because I am biased. As seen on most of all his outfits throughout the season, his design sensibility is very European. And the colors he chooses match that perfectly. Europe is a very dark color scheme with some white mixed in. Not to offend anyone, but while I was over there, it was a ton of black stuff so people could wear the same shirt or bottom multiple days in a row. You know if you wore a pink shirt three days in a row, it would not be a good thing, but you can get away with 3 days in a row when the shirt is black with texture or something. Anyway, my rant for the day. As someone who bathes and changes clothes at least twice a day, I don't subscribe to this, but I saw the functionality for a lot of people in France to do this.
Chloe was a consistently high performer-almost always in the top 2 or 3 and the only time she was in the bottom was for the gown, which I did not agree with at all. Daniel (and I love him, too) won many challenges but when he didn't win, he was either in the middle of the group or on the bottom. I And the more I see her runway collection, the more I love it. She did something a little different while making "the chloe statement", as MK puts it...
I dunno, I just keep seeing Chloe's collection and having 80's prom/wedding flashbacks.
(Guess I just outed myself, agewise.)
chloe deserved to be the winner. scubaotter is right. some of her stuff did look a little '80s prom. i don't think previous challenges should be a factor in deciding the winner. if you have 6 months to design 12 looks, and it's the biggest chance of your life, not to mention prizes involved, then your stuff should be nothing short of spectacular. daniel's was a little boring to me and santino's didn't fit well. chloe's line was great, well-made and well-fitted, as was daniel's, but like i said, daniel's was not my taste. no excuse for santino. he had 6 months, although i did prefer his line. i don't think anyone needs to even look at statistical data to see it. My favorites were santino's and kara's, but i can see how clearly chloe won. and all this talk about her having help is ridiculous. so what if she did? jay had people knitting for him. is it a rule that you have to do every single thing by yourself? i don't think so. like the others had no help whatsoever? as long as they are legitimately your designs, that's all that matters.
Rate the Runway is much more of a popularity contest based on the designers' themselves rather than the clothes. (And I'm sure a person might rate a particular designer's clothes very low even if that same person admits he or she likes the garments.) I'd rather use something more objective - the opinions of industry professionals and the auctions themselves. Why? Because it's one thing to click a little button for the Rate the Runway polls in which there's no commitment or accountability, but it's quite another to spend thousands of dollars because you like an outfit THAT MUCH. And really, the goal of all these designers is to sell clothes. What better way to test how successful the top three would be at selling clothes than the auction? I agree that Chloe was consistent, but I found her Fashion Week collection both tacky and lackluster. I suppose it depends how much you think the previous challenges should factor into the final decision. If they should, then there were no more deserving winners than Kara Saun and Daniel Vosovic. Jay McCarroll didn't win any challenges yet took the final prize.
Also, if you read FourFour's blog, you can see some closeups he took of the designers' final collections. I think he proved quite well that all the designers had fit issues, not just Santino's. In fact, look at Daniel's black dress with that weird badge on the chest. The top of the dress doesn't fit *at all*. I also think Santino's fit problems were greatly exaggerated. They were beautifully made and some weren't perfectly tailored to the models. They were good enough for the design to show through, though. Of course, I can forgive all the designers for the fitting problems - they were only given three days to pick out their models, alter the dresses to fit the models, and then create a 13th look! I'm surprised the collections looked as professional as they did.
In response to Fluffster's comment: the official rules--as I understand them--say that you can hire help (like Kara's knitted caps, and Jay hired people to crochet some of his pieces). However, you have to pay fair market value and it has to come out of your $8k budget.
This has nothing to do with Chloe, but that was the big controversy about Kara Saun's "shoegate." They had "FAVOR" written all over them. Dollhouse custom designed those shoes for Kara Saun in China to match her specifications for each of her outfits, and initially she didn't pay for any of them. Then later, she had them invoice a random value ($15 per pair, IIRC), which, according to Timm Gunn (and producers) "wouldn't have even covered the import tarrifs."
So basically, if Chloe had help, she had to pay market value for it. But I haven't seen criticisms about this on her line. Did I miss something somewhere?
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